Re: Average Hours Worked

Subject: Re: Average Hours Worked
From: Andrew Plato <gilliankitty -at- yahoo -dot- com>
To: "TECHWR-L" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- raycomm -dot- com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 01:14:00 -0700 (PDT)

"Sean Brierley" <sbri -at- haestad -dot- com> wrote


> Andrew says hours are irrelevant.

Never said that. I said when your job is staffed by executives, they are thinking
about the number of hours you will work. They consider the need that must be
filled and the budget that is available. Whether you work 38, 40, or 49 hours a
week isn't very relevant to them.

> Andrew says project management is irrelevant.

Never said that. I said project management is a function of a capable person
doing their job. And subsequently filling the need at the employer. It isn't
usually a factor of employment. When a company hires an employee they don't
usually plan out his every move to ensure he never has to work more than 40 hrs.
They leave this up to the employee to manage their time and work effectively. I
guess you prefer an environment where you are completely managed by an external

> Andrew says employees should expect to be happy working 168 hours a week
> for 40 hours worth of pay.

Never said that. Andrew says if your employer is demanding you work 168 hours,
you should probably go find an employer that suits your hours-per-week

> However, it is not as easy as "refusing to trade." Who can afford to
> give up their income? Really. In the past, the only way to deal with
>such abuses is to unionize. To bring to the individual some group
>bargaining power that lets them approach the conflict with the same kind
>of power that the CEO or management brings.

Actually unionization can wipe out an industry as a whole, and thus ruin it for
everybody. Ever wonder why companies move work to Indian, Mexico, or elsewhere?
Americans have priced themselves out of many labor markets...thanks to unions.

An individual, armed with even a modest amount of negotiation and career
management skills could easily handle negotiating with management. If unions
REALLY cared about the working man, they would empower each individual to be
better at handling their employment. But, that would strip power from the union.

The more educated the masses become, the less power can be centralized.

Andrew Plato

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