Re: FrameMaker problem with table numbering

Subject: Re: FrameMaker problem with table numbering
From: "Kathleen MacDowell" <kathleen -at- writefortheuser -dot- com>
To: "Eddie VanArsdall" <evanarsdall -at- comcast -dot- net>
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 22:42:46 -0600


If Daniel's solution doesn't work, try contacting Shlomo Perets. His website
is at

and he is a font of knowledge about FM.

Good luck,


On 2/1/07, Eddie VanArsdall <evanarsdall -at- comcast -dot- net> wrote:

Hi, all:

I have been using Frame for a few years and am currently updating Frame
templates (unstructured) for my client, as well as using those templates
create deliverables. I didn't create the original templates, but they're
pretty straightforward.

I'm running into a problem that I have never encountered, and I can't
it. The templates include various table formats, each of which has a
built-in table title, numbered "Table X.X." When the tables were created,
each title was formatted with a TableTitle tag. The numbering definition
the tag is T:Table <$chapnum>.<n+>, and no other tags use the T series
label--only tables.

At one point while updating the templates, I noted that most of the tags
the template have spaces in the name, so I changed the TableTitle tag name
to Table Title (from no space to space). After I changed the name, the
numbering ceased to work. They apply the correct chapter number, but the
second number is always a one (1). So, if we're in Chapter 1, all tables
1.1; in Chapter 2, they're all 2.1.

I have tried everything that I can think of:
* Reapplied the tag and updated the table definitions
* Removed and restored the numbering in the tag definition
* Restored the name to TableTitle
* Went back to our older templates and re-imported the old table

The numbering is still broken.

The only way I could get the numbering to work was to redefine the table
definitions from scratch. But there's still a twist. If I'm using a clean
new template with my newly built table definitions, the numbering works
fine. But if I copy a table from a document based on the older template,
numbering breaks. This is causing a major headache, because my team will
routinely want to copy old tables into newer documents. If we copy any
text--even one word--from a table in a document that has been affected by
this problem, the numbering breaks.

I posted this on the Adobe forum and received a lot of great advice, but
none of the proposed solutions worked. Among the solutions I tried were
searching and replacing "TableTitle" with "Table Title," and saving the
as a MIF and then saving the MIF as an FM file. Since then, we're back to
using TableTitle with no space, but the numbering is still breaking unless
we create brand new documents. And of course, we have a lot of old text
we have to reuse.

I would appreciate advice. This problem is really affecting our workflow

BTW, I'm new to posting here, so if there's a more specialized list that I
should be posting this to, please let me know.

Best Regards,


Edward VanArsdall
Information Design and Development
Technical Writing and Editing | Training | Instructional Design |
Informational Analysis
Senior Member, Society for Technical Communication
evanarsdall -at- comcast -dot- net
H: 703-486-2952
C: 703-201-6433

Kathleen MacDowell

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