RE: Firefox vs IE - help

Subject: RE: Firefox vs IE - help
From: "Gordon McLean" <Gordon -dot- McLean -at- GrahamTechnology -dot- com>
To: "'Chris Borokowski'" <athloi -at- yahoo -dot- com>, "'TECHWR-L'" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:43:43 +0100

Two challenges in one day!

"Most major sites.."?

Really? I think you'll find the benefits of CSS driven web design, the fact
that you devolve layout and style from content (sound familiar?) has pushed
a lot of the 'major sites' to redesign away from using tables as layout
(microsoft.com, adobe.com, bbc.co.uk as quick examples). I'm sure there are
high-traffic sites who are currently using tables, of course, but their
number is dwindling.

"CSS beats it for certain other types of layout." How about, beats for it
ALL OTHER. The table model is for tables. Currently, CSS is THE layout model
you should be using.

As for "listening to the standards people" if you are referring to the W3C
then yes, you will end up in loops of horribleness. But look at the people
implementing the standards, the people providing ways to elegantly work WITH
the standard without being too hung up on them, and you have a HUGE breadth
of information and resource at your fingertips (start with alistapart.com).
CSS based page layout is so very much more powerful than table based design.

And I'll stop there, I could go on (I do, at great length).


Gordon
www.onemanwrites.com
www.onemandesigns.com <-- (all CSS!!)

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Subject: RE: Firefox vs IE - help

In theory this is correct. But, listening to the standards people will get
you screwed every time, in practice, in my experience. I want to believe in
the standards but they're all messed up.

Most major sites use tables for the layout, and then use CSS tricks
(unrelated to CSS, but cross-browser necessary) to stabilize those. The
reason is simple: CSS varies greatly, but almost every browser can display a
table, and the few glitches can be fixed quickly.

The table model is still the most comprehensive for tabular layout. CSS
beats it for certain other types of layout.

--- Bonnie Granat <bgranat -at- granatedit -dot- com> wrote:

> Actually, using tables for layout is no longer the preferred method,
> what with the advent of CSS and the ability to make a change in one
> file and change multiple pages. Today, HTML is for structure, and CSS
> is for presentation.


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