RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.

Subject: RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.
From: "Downing, David" <DavidDowning -at- users -dot- com>
To: "Zuercher, Darrell" <dzuerche -at- tva -dot- gov>, "Pinkham, Jim" <Jim -dot- Pinkham -at- voith -dot- com>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:50:59 -0600

Yes, it's that word "just."

-----Original Message-----
From: Zuercher, Darrell [mailto:dzuerche -at- tva -dot- gov]
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:34 AM
To: Pinkham, Jim; Downing, David; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.

I also agree (on both points). Good criticism does not assign a motive
to the action/content. If the critic has a perceived motive in mind and
needs to address it, good criticism would state it as a perception by
the critic: "This seems to show that..." or "It displays a desire
to...", rather than "You just want to...".

IMHO,

--Darrell

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[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+dzuerche=tva -dot- gov -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf
Of Pinkham, Jim
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:25 AM
To: Downing, David; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.

Well, David, I've observed government for too many years to posit that
ALL positions taken are predicated upon logical thought :) (That's a
twinkle that you see in my eyes).

I agree, however, that the "you just want to" negative statements are
implicitly ad hominem and do not, to that extent, address the logic of
the argument. And you're right, that's a poor excuse for criticism.

Jim

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Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:45 AM
To: techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: Re: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.

From: Milan Davidovic <milan -dot- lists -at- gmail -dot- com>
Subject: Re: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Bill Swallow <techcommdood -at- gmail -dot- com>
wrote:
> Folks, criticism is a GOOD thing.

GOOD criticism is a good thing. Not all criticism is necessarily good.

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Yes, there is one type of criticism that I consider bad criticism, and
that's what I call dismissive criticism. That's the kind of criticism
that refuses to recognize that the object of the criticism is in earnest
about having a point of view they want to express or having a statement
they want to make -- the kind of criticism that ignores the fact that
whatever position some takes, there was a logical thought process that
lead to that position -- the kind of criticism that begins with "You
just want to cause trouble," or "You just want attention," or any
statement that begins, "You just want to ... "
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References:
Re: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.: From: Downing, David
RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.: From: Pinkham, Jim
RE: I had say it because I was afraid no one else would.: From: Zuercher, Darrell

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