RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?

Subject: RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?
From: "Leonard C. Porrello" <Leonard -dot- Porrello -at- SoleraTec -dot- com>
To: "Handy, David" <dhandy -at- Informatica -dot- com>, "Kat Kuvinka" <katkuvinka -at- hotmail -dot- com>, <lemay -at- lauralemay -dot- com>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:27:20 -0800

No apology is necessary! I appreciate everyone's input, and I was just looking for a good debate about what a "word" is. Apparently, I came across as if I was feeling defensive and annoyed. Sorry about that.

Leonard

-----Original Message-----
From: Handy, David [mailto:dhandy -at- Informatica -dot- com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:22 AM
To: Leonard C. Porrello; Kat Kuvinka; lemay -at- lauralemay -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?

Leonardo, my apologies if I wasn't clear enough - in fact I had headings and TOCs in mind when I replied.

Personally, I wouldn't use ampersands this way - digits neither - unless the phrase looked odd without it. (I wouldn't write Windows Seven.) But granted that's simply my opinion.

Best,
David


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard C. Porrello [mailto:Leonard -dot- Porrello -at- SoleraTec -dot- com]
Sent: 17 February 2010 16:51
To: Handy, David; Kat Kuvinka; lemay -at- lauralemay -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?

A word is "a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning." The ampersand is pronounced "ænd" and means "and." Therefore, "&" is a word. (We could get into a discussion about morphemes and graphemes, but I don't think doing so would add anything to the discussion).

Having said that, I have to add that I accept the current trend, which is not to use "&" in prose. My question had to do with using them in headers and TOCs, and I think that is what most people responded to.

Leonard

-----Original Message-----
From: techwr-l-bounces+leonard -dot- porrello=soleratec -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+leonard -dot- porrello=soleratec -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf Of Handy, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM
To: Kat Kuvinka; lemay -at- lauralemay -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?

Wow, you guys are cool with ampersands and contractions. I thought they'd be shot down. Pesonally I avoid the former as they're not words - okay in trade names but not in prose - and I avoid the latter as they're colloquial. But it's eye-opening to see that other writes cut these some slack.

Although I've no problem with ampersands in phrases where you might expect them, like mergers & acquisitions and rock & roll. I'm surprised too that /can't/ isn't flagged by translators as it closely remembles /cant/. I guess the word cant is used rarely enough.


David

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From: techwr-l-bounces+dhandy=informatica -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
[mailto:techwr-l-bounces+dhandy=informatica -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf Of Kat Kuvinka
Sent: 10 February 2010 16:27
To: lemay -at- lauralemay -dot- com; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?




True, some contractions are easily understood and translated. Some are not. I just trained myself to avoid them. I trained myself so well I do not even use them in speech.

>
>
> On Feb 9, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Kat Kuvinka wrote:
> > Both should be avoided if you are localizing.
>
>
> In the 90's I wrote third-party technical books that were translated
> into somewhere north of 20 languages. Not a single translator had any
> problems at all with my liberal use of contractions. None.
>
> My overly long compound sentences were sometimes a problem. My
> sometimes strange and pop-culture-heavy sense of humor typically
> didn't work at all (translators substituted locally-appropriate
> examples and jokes with my blessing). The actual technology was
> occasionally difficult. But contractions were not an issue.
>
> I believe this to be an overcautious ban.
>
> Laura
> Teach Yourself HTML in Klingon in 21 Days
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References:
RE: Place punctuation inside or outside of quotes when writing software docs for English speaking Europeans in Europe?: From: Claudine CHAUSSON
Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Leonard C. Porrello
Re: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Bill Swallow
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Leonard C. Porrello
Re: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Laura Lemay
Re: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Janice Gelb
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Kat Kuvinka
Re: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Laura Lemay
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Kat Kuvinka
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Handy, David
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Leonard C. Porrello
RE: Ampersands in TOC and headers?: From: Handy, David

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