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RE: bouncing back from interview disappointment (WAS: Advice needed for an upcoming interview)
Subject:RE: bouncing back from interview disappointment (WAS: Advice needed for an upcoming interview) From:"Porrello, Leonard" <lporrello -at- illumina -dot- com> To:Kat Kuvinka <katkuvinka -at- hotmail -dot- com>, Ken Poshedly <poshedly -at- bellsouth -dot- net>, Peter Neilson <neilson -at- windstream -dot- net>, "techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com> Date:Wed, 29 May 2013 17:44:51 +0000
It's very hard to gainsay your manager, and there is a very good chance that I would have done exactly what you did. Maybe thorough what you shared and this conversation, next time we'll both have the wisdom and courage to do the right thing instead. As Tony pointed out, the interviewee may want to interview anyway.
From: Kat Kuvinka [mailto:katkuvinka -at- hotmail -dot- com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:23 AM
To: Porrello, Leonard; Ken Poshedly; Peter Neilson; techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
Subject: RE: bouncing back from interview disappointment (WAS: Advice needed for an upcoming interview)
Now that I think about it...there might have been some politics involved. It might have been something to do with seeing how I would deal with the situation, or maybe we promised someone that we would interview this particular candidate. The company was funded by a very large corporation and we were on the verge of HR disasters many time that I knew about, and certainly many times that I did not.
I did express my dismay to HR, wish I had said more to my manager. These types of games predominated and made the work environment stressful, on top of the intense work we were doing. Glad to be out of there.
> You may want to think about it another way, Kat. You, not the interviewee, are the real victim.
> A lie is when we deliberately mislead another regarding information that he or she has a right to know. Arguably, before I take the time for an interview, I have a right to know that the job for which I am interviewing is no longer open. In other words, when an employer interviews someone while knowing that the job has already been filled (or cancelled), that employer is a liar.
> I wonder if one's culpability is mitigated if one lies because one is instructed to do so by one's employer? "I was just following orders"? What would happen if you told your employer, "I'm sorry, but if the position is already filled, I can't do the interview, because having the interview would be blatantly dishonest"?
> It troubles me that we take it for granted that lying is a normal and acceptable part of the employment game.
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> Subject: RE: bouncing back from interview disappointment (WAS: Advice needed for an upcoming interview)
> Yup, one time I was conducting some phone interviews and my manager told me they had decided on a candidate, but to go on with this interview anyway. I still don't understand why. This lady was really enthusiastic and a good fit, and I felt absolutely terrible wasting her time.
> > Way back a loooong time ago (30 years or so), I recall missing out on
> > a job because at the end of the interview, the hiring manager told me
> > that "my wife's sister's brother's uncle's friend's friend does their
> > church newsletter and we're going to hire him."
> > Pissed off? You bet I was, but "blood" (who you know) is thicker than
> > water your skill set). I was also pissed to be brought in for an
> > interview when the conclusion was already made before I got there.
> > -- Ken in Atlanta
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