Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
From: Lin Sims <ljsims -dot- ml -at- gmail -dot- com>
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain <Syed -dot- Hosain -at- aeris -dot- net>
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 16:24:45 -0400

The choice of SVG is also because of the proposed switch to DITA, because
it scales whereas PNG doesn't, and also there is at least one group in the
company that runs scripts against the files for auditing purposes. They can
read the text in an SVG (or PDF) but not in a PNG graphic.

And as I said a little while ago, the conversion from Visio to PDF resulted
in a graphic that imported to Frame with no bloating issues.

It's just weird that the one graphic is doing this. I have, literally,
hundreds of images that were created and imported the same way, and none of
them are causing this kind of inflation. I'm leaning towards a corrupt
Visio file, and I may redraw it at some point to see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need to bounce the idea off
others to get a grip on what's going on.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <Syed -dot- Hosain -at- aeris -dot- net>
wrote:

> SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for
> printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when
> output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.
>
> It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of
> _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.
>
> Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc.,
> this may be resulting in a large image being brought in.
>
> Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap
> conversion process in FrameMaker.
>
> Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG?
> FrameMaker may handle it better.
>
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format
>
> PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people
> maintaining the corporate standards?
>
> Z
>
> BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures,
> line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in
> the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+syed -dot- hosain=aeris -dot- net -at- lists -dot- frameusers -dot- com] On Behalf Of Lin
> > Sims
> > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> > To: Robert Lauriston <robert -at- lauriston -dot- com>
> > Cc: Frame Users <framers -at- lists -dot- frameusers -dot- com>; TECHWR-L Writing
> > <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> >
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <robert -at- lauriston -dot- com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> > >
> > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
> > >
> > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims -dot- ml -at- gmail -dot- com>
> wrote: Pertinents:
> > > >
> > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> latest patch Visio 2013
> > > >
> > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> just blowing up the Frame file size.
> > > >
> > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > > >
> > > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > > SVG file: 15,830
> > > >
> > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > > >
> > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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References:
SVG blowing up Frame file size: From: Lin Sims
Re: SVG blowing up Frame file size: From: Robert Lauriston
Re: SVG blowing up Frame file size: From: Lin Sims

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