Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer ... OK, this makes for a good segue

Subject: Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer ... OK, this makes for a good segue
From: Kathleen MacDowell <kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com>
To: Ron Hearn <rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 12:49:42 -0500

I don't know much abt his preferred candidate, but that post strikes a lot
of chords for me. Always nice to have someone else to blame for once ...,
although it'll be cringeworthy. I also think political think has nothing
much to do with gender.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ron Hearn <rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com> wrote:

>
> Further to yesterday's discussion on Scot's attitudes toward women, there
> is this from his blog last week:
>
> http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer ... OK,
> this makes for a good segue
>
> I agree that a good tech writer is just as valuable to the company as an
> engineer. But my experience has proven to me beyond any possible doubt that
> the overwhelming majority of managers who make the retention decisions do
> not agree.
>
> Another certification in a field which is not valued by the people who
> make the retention decisions is not going to help. That's kind of like
> having a dozen layers of frosting on a Brussels sprout cake. It's not going
> to win the baking competition.
>
> What needs to happen is for someone to finally come up with a way to PROVE
> that the tech writer's work adds value to the product. There has to be some
> way to express it in numbers and show that the work really does bump up the
> bottom line on the quarterly report. Until that happens, certifications may
> be useful in grading applicants for hiring decisions, but they will be
> meaningless to retention.
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Vincent <vincentpr -at- trfnova -dot- com> wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> > When the first rush of replies on this flowed in, I got angrier and
> > angrier as I quickly parsed. Angry at y'all that is (no disrespect
> > intended here) for missing the critical issue against your current
> > chosen profession. I wanted to write then but I too, as Kathleen
> > understands, must choose my fires to quench. At the moment, I have a
> > little time.
> > Being too long involved in IT, I have chuckled at select Dilberts now
> > and again when people have point them out, but I have never been an
> > avid fan. That, and Mr. Adams' gender imbalance :) notwithstanding,
> > the real insult within the Dilbert installment under discussion is
> that
> > the TW character is being presented as less valuable than an inherent
> > engineer asset. Nothing could be more untruthful or a better example
> > of program management misperception.
> > Yes, of course certain senior engineers -- and even engineers with
> > seniority -- are essential and invaluable to an R&D team, and deserve
> > to recognized as such. However, generally speaking, good engineers
> are
> > readily available and replaceable, but a good technical writer is not.
> > The experienced and capable technical writer, while he or she suffers
> > being regarded as a peer -- and mistakenly by Mr. Adams less -- is
> > actually senior in contribution to most engineers. Without the
> > documentation process, application worklfow errors, system design
> > errors, database architecture endless loops, and coding foopahs of
> > every rushed and improperly tested kind would make it passed the
> > staging cycle. Without proper documentation there is lessened
> > accountability to management. The technical writer is above an
> > engineer. Engineers who don't take a TW's request for a meeting
> > seriously probably shouldn't be trusted to do their own work
> > excellently and should be let go.
> > Having spent some time working inside federal agencies, it always
> > bothered me how silly it is for the way PMP certification is esteemed
> > (again, no disrespect intended, but experience trumps the PMP
> > certificate 100% of the time). I have long had a dream that technical
> > writers need their own certification, such CPTW (Certified
> Professional
> > Technical Writer), likened to CPCM, CFCM, and to have that credential
> > promoted and recognized properly. And while I have spawned many ideas
> > on how to chase that dream, I am only now getting to semi-retirement
> > hours so that perhaps I can.
> > Thoughts? Reactions? Anyone want to work on/pursue establishment of
> > CPTW with me?
> > Vincent
> > www.linkedin.com/in/vincentpasqualeruvolo
> >
> >
> > On 10/17/16, Kathleen MacDowell<kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
> >
> > It's been interesting to see everyone's interpretations, which are
> > sometimes much deeper than my own.
> > I haven't seen Dilbert for many years, but I've always viewed him
> > similar
> > to a Tom and Jerry (or any other) cartoon.
> > He managed to convey my feelings about some of the idiocies we
> > encounter at
> > work; ah yes, restraining the fist of death.
> > Sad to say, some people have real grudges that are expressed in the
> > real
> > world. And truly, as hard some of the work/life realities are to bear
> > sometimes, we have a lot more pressing things to deal with right now.
> > Most of us are subject to some kind of inequalities, some of us more
> > than
> > others. It would be wonderful if it could be reduced...
> > Kathleen
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:46 PM, kafkascampi
> > <[1]kafkascampi -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
> > > Not to be a buzzkill (which means I am totally about to be a
> > > buzzkill), Scott Adams has some controversial views about women in
> > the
> > > workplace. This is one of the reasons I choose not to support him.
> > >
> > > Read more here:
> > > [2]http://comicsalliance.com/scott-adam-sexist-mens-rights/
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Tony Chung <[3]tonyc -at- tonychung -dot- ca>
> > wrote:
> > > > False alarm. A week later Tina agrees to be pointy head's "work
> > wife"
> > > > [4]http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-14
> > > >
> > > > -Tony (also in Vancouver)
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, 6 October 2016, Ron Hearn <[5]rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Looks like Tina is getting the axe in today's Dilbert:
> > > >> [6]http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-06
> > > >>
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> > 3. mailto:tonyc -at- tonychung -dot- ca
> > 4. http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-14
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