Re: Re: Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer ... OK, this makes for a good segue

Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer ... OK, this makes for a good segue
From: Vincent <vincentpr -at- trfnova -dot- com>
To: kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 12:08:20 -0500 (CDT)

Good questions and comments. So let me clarify my thinking. Given the
way this forum gang-formats my responses (for whatever reason), I have
enumerated your immediate comments to help correlate to mine: To wit:

1) From decades past, I hold a 'certificate' in Advanced Technical
Writing from NYIT in Old Westbury NY. While the program was enjoyable
and beneficial, the certificate I acquired does NOT qualify as a
professional certification such as one would include on most job
applications. To offer an analogy, in pursuit of CPCM certification,
UCI offers a wholly online program in contract management studies.
When you complete that, you indeed can get a 'certificate' from UCI in
contract management, but it is not considered to be a
professional/expertise certification. You still have to take the test
with certification the with the NCMA to be professionally certified in
that area. It is such a certification that for us TWs does not exist.
I envision collaborating with a recognized certification institute and
creating the track for CPTW by identifying the study requisites and
creating the exam.

2) Absolutely! Please note that earlier in this topic thread I stated
that for PMP 'experience trumps the certification 100% of the time'. I
believe that CPTW certification will make a difference in customer
attitude once it has been established, accepted and promoted. But of
course, between all-other-aspects-being equal candidates, if both were
to be CPTW certified, and one has ample experience while the other does
not, the experienced candidate would prevail. I am not suggesting that
certification displaces experience -- it doesn't for ANY type of
certification. I am suggesting that in most IT (as well as other
industry) shops, the TW is incorrectly regarded as being a lesser
specialist, and this perception needs to be remediated.

3) I hope so! While that is unnecessary, it broadens one's offering.
I had joined a startup in 1997 as the sole technical writer asset (do
notice I refer to staff as assets not resources). This was back in the
day of the 'new economy' when we were just hearing about companies like
AOL, eBay, Yahoo, Netscape, etc., and most of us were dabbling in
stocks despite our lack of experience in investing. Having a company
website was just beginning to be recognized as a basic marketing tenet
and portal. One day, the founder of the startup walked to over to my
cubicle and dropped an HMTL 1.0 textbook on my desk, and said to me:
"congratulations, you are our webmaster; build me a website." I
discovered that HTML tags were similar to the midrange text writing
application I had used at Computer Associates before it transitioned to
Windows 1.0 with MS-Word 1.0. But I had to self-learn much through
tenacity and pain (notice I didn't say suffering), e.g., how to handle
animated animated gifs (initially, I would push whole giant gifs making
its page load and the animation very slow till I figured out to just
push the changing segments of the gifs; talk about novice!).
Eventually, among many other roles over time, I became the VP of
Product Design outsourcing the coding to a huge team in Boston called
Breakaway (they were rapid development; they are gone). I co-authored
hundreds of pages of interface & workflow and back office specs.
But always remember nonetheless, 'respect' will come not so much from
your expertise and capabilities -- in that regard we are all always
expendable and replaceable, albeit some more than others -- but how
much you contribute beyond your required deliverables. It is the duty
of all assets, no matter her/his role, to contribute to the capture and
retention of revenue of any commercial enterprise.
Sir Vincent


On 10/18/16, Kathleen MacDowell<kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:

Sir Vincent,
1) There are schools/colleges that offer tech writing tracks. How do
you picture a certificate covering material that those students
wouldn't offer?
2) I can't judge whether a certificate would make a difference in
customer attitude. Even so, there are some skills that only experience
can teach, and some that everyone can't learn.
3) I do wonder if the most skilled will end up designing interfaces,
though, and that will undoubtedly provide more respect.
Kathleen
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Vincent <[1]vincentpr -at- trfnova -dot- com>
wrote:

Sticking with the core topic threads (Tina the TW, and my
comments on
TW recognition general):
I certainly agree with the many points made by one of this
forum's
contributors in response to my submission on this:
Indeed, if there were a TW certification, HR/hiring managers
would or
could use that qualification to filter applications. But I like
to
think that will serve as a motivation for continuing education
among us
(yes, I am deliberately mixing tenses for effect).
Indeed, the recognition of a TW will never be what it should be
until
development (and other) managers recognize our true level of
contribution (and stop thinking of some of you as labor and low
on the
totem pole).
Also, I chuckled a bit when I read the analogy to 'brussel
sprout'
cake. Firstly, I neglected to fully think forward that I was
writing
to other writers with creative satire. Secondly, I love brussel
spouts
-- grilled or broiled -- but have never contemplated them in a
cake.
However, I have been inspired by this to develop a recipe for
using
them in quiche.
Having said all that: While I respectfully agree with your
perspective
points, I still think that TW certification is good idea, would
be a
benefit to those who want to make a FULL career of technical
writing,
would ultimately result in more competitive compensation, and
simply
would raise the professionalism and skill-specialty acceptance of
TWs
in general. It would subsequently foster the manager recognition
in
concern.
Sir Vincent
On 10/18/16, Julie Stickler<[2]jstickler -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
Not to be a curmudgeon, but this conversation thread has drifted
from
being
about Tina or about technical writing and is getting dangerously
close
to
starting to talk about politics.
I've had my fill of politics lately and would like to avoid it on
TECHWR-L
if at all possible.
Thanks!
Back to the word mines for me.
On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Kathleen MacDowell
<[1][3]kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com
> wrote:
> I don't know much abt his preferred candidate, but that post
strikes
a lot
> of chords for me. Always nice to have someone else to blame for
once
...,
> although it'll be cringeworthy. I also think political think
has
nothing
> much to do with gender.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ron Hearn
<[2][4]rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Further to yesterday's discussion on Scot's attitudes toward
women,
there
> > is this from his blog last week:
> >
> >
[3][5]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/151737656851/the-era-of-women
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
techwr-l-boun[4]ces+rhearn=[6]cucbc -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
[mailto:
> > techwr-l-boun[5]ces+rhearn=[7]cucbc -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com]
On Behalf
Of Keith
> > Hood
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:56 PM

> > To: [6][8]vincentpr -at- trfnova -dot- com
> > Cc: techwr-l <[7][9]techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
> > Subject: Re: Re: It doesn't look good for Tina the Tech Writer
...
OK,
> > this makes for a good segue
> >
> > I agree that a good tech writer is just as valuable to the
company
as an
> > engineer. But my experience has proven to me beyond any possible
doubt
> that
> > the overwhelming majority of managers who make the retention
decisions do
> > not agree.
> >
> > Another certification in a field which is not valued by the
people
who
> > make the retention decisions is not going to help. That's kind
of
like
> > having a dozen layers of frosting on a Brussels sprout cake.
It's
not
> going
> > to win the baking competition.
> >

> > What needs to happen is for someone to finally come up with a
way
to
> PROVE
> > that the tech writer's work adds value to the product. There
has to
be
> some
> > way to express it in numbers and show that the work really
does
bump up
> the
> > bottom line on the quarterly report. Until that happens,
certifications
> may
> > be useful in grading applicants for hiring decisions, but
they will
be
> > meaningless to retention.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Vincent
<[8][10]vincentpr -at- trfnova -dot- com>

wrote:
> >
> > > Friends,
> > > When the first rush of replies on this flowed in, I got
angrier
and
> > > angrier as I quickly parsed. Angry at y'all that is (no
disrespect
> > > intended here) for missing the critical issue against your
current
> > > chosen profession. I wanted to write then but I too, as
Kathleen
> > > understands, must choose my fires to quench. At the moment, I
have
> a
> > > little time.
> > > Being too long involved in IT, I have chuckled at select
Dilberts
> now
> > > and again when people have point them out, but I have never
been
an
> > > avid fan. That, and Mr. Adams' gender imbalance :)
notwithstanding,
> > > the real insult within the Dilbert installment under
discussion
is
> > that
> > > the TW character is being presented as less valuable than an
> inherent
> > > engineer asset. Nothing could be more untruthful or a better
> example
> > > of program management misperception.
> > > Yes, of course certain senior engineers -- and even engineers
with
> > > seniority -- are essential and invaluable to an R&D team, and
> deserve
> > > to recognized as such. However, generally speaking, good
engineers
> > are
> > > readily available and replaceable, but a good technical writer
is
> not.
> > > The experienced and capable technical writer, while he or she
> suffers
> > > being regarded as a peer -- and mistakenly by Mr. Adams less
--
is
> > > actually senior in contribution to most engineers. Without the
> > > documentation process, application worklfow errors, system
design
> > > errors, database architecture endless loops, and coding
foopahs
of
> > > every rushed and improperly tested kind would make it passed
the
> > > staging cycle. Without proper documentation there is lessened
> > > accountability to management. The technical writer is above an
> > > engineer. Engineers who don't take a TW's request for a
meeting
> > > seriously probably shouldn't be trusted to do their own work
> > > excellently and should be let go.
> > > Having spent some time working inside federal agencies, it
always
> > > bothered me how silly it is for the way PMP certification is
> esteemed
> > > (again, no disrespect intended, but experience trumps the PMP
> > > certificate 100% of the time). I have long had a dream that
> technical
> > > writers need their own certification, such CPTW (Certified
> > Professional
> > > Technical Writer), likened to CPCM, CFCM, and to have that
> credential
> > > promoted and recognized properly. And while I have spawned
many
> ideas
> > > on how to chase that dream, I am only now getting to
semi-retirement
> > > hours so that perhaps I can.
> > > Thoughts? Reactions? Anyone want to work on/pursue
establishment
> of
> > > CPTW with me?
> > > Vincent

> > > [9][11]www.linkedin.com/in/vincentpasqualeruvolo
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/17/16, Kathleen
MacDowell<[10][12]kathleen -dot- eamd -at- gmail -dot- com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > It's been interesting to see everyone's interpretations,
which
are
> > > sometimes much deeper than my own.
> > > I haven't seen Dilbert for many years, but I've always
viewed him
> > > similar
> > > to a Tom and Jerry (or any other) cartoon.
> > > He managed to convey my feelings about some of the idiocies
we
> > > encounter at
> > > work; ah yes, restraining the fist of death.
> > > Sad to say, some people have real grudges that are
expressed in
the
> > > real
> > > world. And truly, as hard some of the work/life realities
are to
> bear
> > > sometimes, we have a lot more pressing things to deal with
right
> now.
> > > Most of us are subject to some kind of inequalities, some
of us
more
> > > than
> > > others. It would be wonderful if it could be reduced...
> > > Kathleen
> > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 12:46 PM, kafkascampi
> > > <[1][11][13]kafkascampi -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
> > > > Not to be a buzzkill (which means I am totally about to
be a
> > > > buzzkill), Scott Adams has some controversial views about
women
in
> > > the
> > > > workplace. This is one of the reasons I choose not to
support
him.
> > > >
> > > > Read more here:
> > > >
[2][12][14]http://comicsalliance.com/scott-adam-sexist-mens-rights/
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 8:51 AM, Tony Chung <[3]
> [13][15]tonyc -at- tonychung -dot- ca>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > False alarm. A week later Tina agrees to be pointy
head's
"work
> > > wife"
> > > > > [4][14][16]http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-14
> > > > >
> > > > > -Tony (also in Vancouver)
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, 6 October 2016, Ron Hearn
<[5][15][17]rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Looks like Tina is getting the axe in today's Dilbert:
> > > > >> [6][16][18]http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-06
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ron Hearn
> > > > >> Documentation Specialist
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Central 1 Credit Union
> > > > >> 1441 Creekside Drive
> > > > >> Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
> > > > >> V6J 4S7
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [7][17][19]rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com
> > > <javascript:;><[8][18]mailto:[20]rhearn -at- central1 -dot- com
> > > > >> <javascript:;>>
> > > > >> Tel: [21]604.730.6391
> > > > >> Fax: [22]604.730-7792
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > 3. [39]mailto:[47]tonyc -at- tonychung -dot- ca
> > > 4. [40][48]http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-10-14
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