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Subject:Quotes and Commas, Part 2 of 2 From:"Dennis Hays/The Burden Lake Group, Ltd." <dlhays -at- IX -dot- NETCOM -dot- COM> Date:Wed, 10 Jan 1996 20:47:00 -0500
5.75 (Page 177)
Quoted material in the form of dialogue or conversation is usually the
direct object of a transitive verb denoting speaking or thinking, and
although direct objects are ordinarily not set off by commas, dialogue
traditionally is. The following example illustrate the principles governing
the use of commas to set off dialogue: If the quotation follows the
introductory material, as in the first example, the comma is placed at the
end of the introduction. If, as in the next two examples, the quotation
comes first, the comma precedes the closing quotation mark of the first part
of the quotation, and another comma comes at the end of the intervening
Vera said calmly, "I've no idea what you mean."
"Morgenstern refuses to drive us home," replied Eberly.
"They're all fools," Vera told herself.
Use With Other Punctuation
5.86 (Page 180)
When the context calls for a comma at the end of material enclosed in
quotation marks, parentheses, or brackets, the comma should be placed inside
the quotation marks but outside the parentheses or brackets:
See Brighton's comments on "political expedience," which may be
found elsewhere in this volume.
Here he gives a belated, though stilted (and somewhat obscure),
exposition of the subject.
Although he rejected the first proposal (he could not have done
otherwise without compromising his basic position), he was careful to make
it clear that he was open to further negotiations.
"Conrad ordered [Martin], whose face was now quite flushed, to
return to his post."
5.87 (Page 180)
In close textual studies and on similar rare occasions when the inclusion of
a comma inside the closing quotation mark may cause confusion, the comma may
be placed outside the quotation mark:
Following the phrase "silently disrobing", an odd typographical
When a comma is required after a possessive noun that ends with an
apostrophe, the comma follows the apostrophe:
Were the drawings the architects', or were they yours?
5.88 (Page 180)
Commas should not be used with dashes except when necessary to separate
quoted material from the words that identify the speaker.
5.90 (Page 181)
The following words are considered adverbs rather than conjunctions and
should therefore be preceded by a semicolon when used transitionally between
clauses of a compound sentence: then, however, thus, hence, indeed,
accordingly, besides, therefore. The adverb is usually followed by a comma,
but if there is no risk of misreading, and if a pause is not desired, the
comma may be omitted.
The controversial portrait had been removed from the entrance hall;
indeed, in its place had been hung a realistic landscape.
Partridge had heard the argument before; thus, he turned his back on
Fenton and reiterated his decision.
Mildred says she intends to go to Europe this summer; however, she
has made no definite plans.
Mittelbach had forgotten his reeds; hence he was prevented from
jamming with the others.
END OF CHICAGO MANUAL OF STYLE
This leads me to believe the following:
First select "Edit"; then select "Cut."
Or in rare circumstances: First select "Edit"; then select "Cut".
Now here's a new one for your punctuation happiness:
that that is is that that is not is not
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