RE: Did I overreact?

Subject: RE: Did I overreact?
From: "Nuckols, Kenneth M" <Kenneth -dot- Nuckols -at- mybrighthouse -dot- com>
To: <al -dot- geist -at- geistassociates -dot- com>, <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:57:03 -0400

Al Geist (among others) said...

> > My take on this whole thread from the positive, negative, and
> > indifferent experiences others have had working with recruiters is
> > it is nice to have a relationship with a recruiting firm at the time
> > are not actively seeking a new job or new contract (they keep you
> > abreast of opportunities in the field) but when it comes time to
make a
> > job change, it seems you're almost always better off kicking the
> > recruiter to the curb and approaching companies as an
> > independent agent. This benefits you by negotiating the most money
> > your pocket directly with the employer. It also benefits the
employer by
> > avoiding interviews with every unsuitable candidate the recruiter
> > out to them because they don't understand the needs of the company,
> > requirements of the position, and the qualifications of the
> Seems to me that is shows the employer that you are willing to bend
> if a dollar is involved, and you are asking them to do the same. Most
> recruiters, like most sales people, are not bottom feeders, but
> responsible professionals. That recruiter may have worked hard to get
> opening in the company for you and he/she should be rewarded for their
> efforts. In fact, in many cases, recruiting firms have an agreement
> a company to supply pre-screened resumes. That agreement usually
> that the company can hire a candidate directly for a fee. If your
> was already submitted by the recruiter and you show up behind his/her
> back, it's almost a certain guarantee that you will not get an
> regardless of how much you show the company how they can save money by
> hiring you directly if the company has a contract with the recruiting
> firm. Furthermore, word gets around that you cannot be trusted which
> impacts your ability to generate revenue as an employee or a
> I'd say that if you don't want to use a recruiting firm, don't, but if
> do use one, don't screw them over, because it might hurt you more then
> will hurt them.

I never have used a recruiter to get a position, nor have I really
considered using recruiters before this thread began. My personal
opinion of them until a couple of weeks ago has always been that they
must serve a useful purpose for some companies and some job seekers. If
anything, this thread has made my view of recruiters more negative--and
perhaps that's skewed because more people may be willing to share their
horror stories than their success stories.

I have to say that Al makes a great point that some HR managers may find
it unethical to have a candidate apply independently if he or she has
also been referred by a recruiter. I'm certain that recruiters trolling and other job hunter web sites make it inevitable that some
individuals will find a job posting and apply on their own when a
recruiter has already sent the company that person's resume without
their knowledge (especially, since it seems, most recruiters will not
tell candidates which company is offering the position before getting to
the on-site interview stage).

At present, the only "recruitment" tools I have used and continue to use
are resumes posted on and, and the
employment coordinator at my local STC chapter. Through these three
sources I receive daily updates on available jobs. Admittedly the
monster and careerbuilder sites don't offer as tightly focused job
opportunities as the STC postings. But my current job came from a
listing on careerbuilder, and I have several colleagues who have also
used that site to find good jobs in this area.

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