RE: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...

Subject: RE: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...
From: "Bartels, Mary" <Mary -dot- Bartels -at- ejgallo -dot- com>
To: Geoff Hart <ghart -at- videotron -dot- ca>, TECHWR-L Writing <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:23:39 -0700

I looked in the archives and found what appears to be Geoff's first post to techwr-l. And pasted it below. The more things change. . . Geoff: Thanks for a great ride over the past 14 or so years. You are a real brick. We'll never see your like again.

Mary Bartels | Lead Technical Writer | E. & J. Gallo Winery | 209-341-7317

Profit ($) versus profit (!)
Subject: Profit ($) versus profit (!)
From: Geoff Hart <geoff-h -at- MTL -dot- FERIC -dot- CA>
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:10:37 LCL

Herman Holtz (sp?) seems to have opened a minor can of worms with
the issue of using replies to make a personal profit. I agree with the
idea of asking people for permission to quote them in print (as
opposed to in e-mail, which provides context), particularly if there's
a commercial purpose behind your questions. (BTW, to those who quote
Herman, please don't quote his curriculum vitae in your response. Bad
netiquette!) But I want to do more than just agree, which wastes
everyone's time... I want to suggest another form of profit, which is
intellectual and professional.
Here's a proposal for mutual profit, in an entirely nonpecuniary
way: We could all profit from a brief article in Technical
Communication or elsewhere based on responses to issues raised in this
newsgroup. For example, we might propose a regular or semiregular
column called "professional views" or "views from the profession" in
which the author collects and summarizes these discussions. For my own
part, I'm going to do a little more research in the archives to make
sure I'm not duplicating effort, then propose a message thread on
technology transfer issues and usability testing for scientific
information (as opposed to user manuals). This is NOT a proposal now..
like I said, I want to do a bit of browsing first, and I'll post then.
In the meantime, anyone who's interested in this concept (and
specifically in tech. transfer and scientific info. usability), please
send me a private post (NOT to the newsgroup) at:
GEOFF-H -at- MTL -dot- FERIC -dot- CA
If there's enough interest, I'll pursue this more formally.
--Geoff Hart #8^{)} (Scary how accurate a self-portrait can be!)
"The longest journey begins with a single posting.

-----Original Message-----
From: techwr-l-bounces+mary -dot- bartels=ejgallo -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+mary -dot- bartels=ejgallo -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf Of Geoff Hart
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:05 AM
To: TECHWR-L Writing
Subject: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...

... "To talk of many things"

I've been a member of techwr-l since roughly 1993, when Eric and Deb
first unleashed this forum on an unsuspecting world. During that time,
I've spent an average of something like an hour a day (despite
vacations and weekends -- some slow work days, I spend far more time
than this) in various e-mail discussion groups, helping to build a
community and learning a lot over the years by helping others.

But various frustrations, online and off, have gradually made it clear
that I can't sustain that level of effort any more, includng the fact
that I seem to have no time left for my own writing anymore and
particularly not for my fiction. So it's time to tip my hat, take a
bow, and leave. This may just be a long sabbatical, or it may be
permanent... the latter more likely. But leave I must.

If you're interested in keeping up with what I'll be doing in coming
months, please join me on; I'll be increasingly using
that community to keep professional colleagues up to date on what I've
been doing. I've also created a blog at <
>* that I hope to begin using for various ramblings, and as a link to
my fiction site. Give me a week or so to get it up and running and
figure out what I want to do with it.

* Of course I know what it means. <g>

It's been a pleasure and an honor, but it's time to move on. Best
wishes to all. Sincerely,

Geoff Hart (
ghart -at- videotron -dot- ca / geoffhart -at- mac -dot- com

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