Re: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...

Subject: Re: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...
From: Kathleen MacDowell <kathleen -at- writefortheuser -dot- com>
To: "Bartels, Mary" <Mary -dot- Bartels -at- ejgallo -dot- com>
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:44:44 -0500

Geoff's original post (profit($) vs profit (!(ideas?))) raises an issue I'd
like feedback about.

I'm reworking my website so that it will include a blog. I plan to discuss
topics related to writing for/in business (or the business person), to
promote myself, of course. But some of the ideas I've had come from
discussions on the Whirlers list (and others).

Note that I don't plan to post a digest, merely to cite an overall opinion,
if there is one, or just to use the original can-of-worms as a jumping off
point for my post.

>From what I've seen others do in blogs, they often link to an article they
mention in their own post.

But how would any of you go about referencing a general discussion, other
than maybe citing the list carrier (i.e., in this case, it would be
http://www.techwr-l.com/techwhirl)???

Regards,

Kathleen


On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Bartels, Mary <Mary -dot- Bartels -at- ejgallo -dot- com>wrote:

> I looked in the archives and found what appears to be Geoff's first post to
> techwr-l. And pasted it below. The more things change. . . Geoff: Thanks for
> a great ride over the past 14 or so years. You are a real brick. We'll never
> see your like again.
>
>
> Mary Bartels | Lead Technical Writer | E. & J. Gallo Winery |
> 209-341-7317
>
> Profit ($) versus profit (!)
> Subject: Profit ($) versus profit (!)
> From: Geoff Hart <geoff-h -at- MTL -dot- FERIC -dot- CA>
> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 09:10:37 LCL
>
>
> Herman Holtz (sp?) seems to have opened a minor can of worms with
> the issue of using replies to make a personal profit. I agree with the
> idea of asking people for permission to quote them in print (as
> opposed to in e-mail, which provides context), particularly if there's
> a commercial purpose behind your questions. (BTW, to those who quote
> Herman, please don't quote his curriculum vitae in your response. Bad
> netiquette!) But I want to do more than just agree, which wastes
> everyone's time... I want to suggest another form of profit, which is
> intellectual and professional.
> Here's a proposal for mutual profit, in an entirely nonpecuniary
> way: We could all profit from a brief article in Technical
> Communication or elsewhere based on responses to issues raised in this
> newsgroup. For example, we might propose a regular or semiregular
> column called "professional views" or "views from the profession" in
> which the author collects and summarizes these discussions. For my own
> part, I'm going to do a little more research in the archives to make
> sure I'm not duplicating effort, then propose a message thread on
> technology transfer issues and usability testing for scientific
> information (as opposed to user manuals). This is NOT a proposal now..
> like I said, I want to do a bit of browsing first, and I'll post then.
> In the meantime, anyone who's interested in this concept (and
> specifically in tech. transfer and scientific info. usability), please
> send me a private post (NOT to the newsgroup) at:
> GEOFF-H -at- MTL -dot- FERIC -dot- CA
> If there's enough interest, I'll pursue this more formally.
> Thanks.
> --Geoff Hart #8^{)} (Scary how accurate a self-portrait can be!)
> "The longest journey begins with a single posting.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techwr-l-bounces+mary -dot- bartels=ejgallo -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com[mailto:
> techwr-l-bounces+mary.bartels <techwr-l-bounces%2Bmary.bartels>=
> ejgallo -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf Of Geoff Hart
> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:05 AM
> To: TECHWR-L Writing
> Subject: Misc: "The time has come," the Walrus said...
>
> ... "To talk of many things"
>
> I've been a member of techwr-l since roughly 1993, when Eric and Deb
> first unleashed this forum on an unsuspecting world. During that time,
> I've spent an average of something like an hour a day (despite
> vacations and weekends -- some slow work days, I spend far more time
> than this) in various e-mail discussion groups, helping to build a
> community and learning a lot over the years by helping others.
>
> But various frustrations, online and off, have gradually made it clear
> that I can't sustain that level of effort any more, includng the fact
> that I seem to have no time left for my own writing anymore and
> particularly not for my fiction. So it's time to tip my hat, take a
> bow, and leave. This may just be a long sabbatical, or it may be
> permanent... the latter more likely. But leave I must.
>
> If you're interested in keeping up with what I'll be doing in coming
> months, please join me on LinkedIn.com; I'll be increasingly using
> that community to keep professional colleagues up to date on what I've
> been doing. I've also created a blog at <
> http://blatherskite.dreamwidth.org/
> >* that I hope to begin using for various ramblings, and as a link to
> my fiction site. Give me a week or so to get it up and running and
> figure out what I want to do with it.
>
> * Of course I know what it means. <g>
>
> It's been a pleasure and an honor, but it's time to move on. Best
> wishes to all. Sincerely,
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Geoff Hart (www.geoff-hart.com)
> ghart -at- videotron -dot- ca / geoffhart -at- mac -dot- com
>
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