RE: ISO Document Control

Subject: RE: ISO Document Control
From: "McLauchlan, Kevin" <Kevin -dot- McLauchlan -at- safenet-inc -dot- com>
To: Scott Turner <quills -at- airmail -dot- net>, Sally Derrick <sjd1201 -at- gmail -dot- com>
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:28:01 -0400

An auditor cannot ding you for anything without showing you
chapter and verse of whatever standard/requirement s/he
says you are not meeting. Therefore, the auditor must
provide you a copy of that other (not ISO 9001) standard
to which s/he is referring, OR must direct you to someone
in your chain-of-command who can provide that controlled
document to you. (And who should already have done so, if
it's an auditable requirement.)

The audit sword cuts both ways. Bite back. :-)

You can be legitimately in violation of an auditable requirement
only if that requirement is both available and controlled.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Turner
>
> ISO 9001 does't tell you how you are supposed to do that stuff only
> that you need a consistent system.
>
> It is not a requirement of 9001, it does appear to be a require mention
> of your customer.
>
> There is a difference. You are operating under two separate
> requirements.
>
> On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:56, Sally Derrick <sjd1201 -at- gmail -dot- com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Peter. Regarding audit type #1, what does your wife do when
> the
> > auditor is "requesting" something that is not required? For example,
> in my
> > brand new, shiny copy of ISO 9001, Section 4.2.3 Document Control has
> not
> > one word about approval signatures, effective dates, or retention
> periods.
> > However, the customer's internal auditor docked me a point for not
> having
> > it. I have pushed back on it and am waiting to hear their response.
> I
> > worry about the difference between interpretations on this stuff, and
> the
> > ever-present 'but we've always done it this way' mentality.
> >
> > Sally
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References:
ISO Document Control: From: Sally Derrick
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Scott Turner
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Keith Hood
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Sally Derrick
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Gene Kim-Eng
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Peter Neilson
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Sally Derrick
Re: ISO Document Control: From: Scott Turner

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