Re: I'm furious...

Subject: Re: I'm furious...
From: Daniel Friedman <daniel -dot- friedman42 -at- gmail -dot- com>
To: Mike Starr <mike -at- writestarr -dot- com>
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:56:11 -0500

I have to say, as someone who is relatively new to the industry (3 years in
the same full time role), this thread has been extremely educational. Most
importantly I've learned:
1. That you have to negotiate rates with the recruiter, not the client.
2. That the client pays the same rates no matter which candidate they hire
(so if they hire someone who's too desperate to negotiate, the recruiter
makes $$$).
3. Double submissions will get your resume binned.
4. Recruiting companies are just as sketchy as I imagined.
On Jan 10, 2015 7:28 AM, "Mike Starr" <mike -at- writestarr -dot- com> wrote:

> LB submitted me with my consent in November to this client for a different
> role; it had a distinctly different job ID.
>
> I gave HI my consent the other day to submit me to this client for a new
> role at a different rate. However, because LB submitted me without my
> consent, HI's submission was rejected.
>
> I called LB's recruiter and read him the riot act. When I got done with
> that, I demanded to speak to his boss. When I got the recruiter's boss on
> the phone, I read him the riot act as well. He did his best to sweeten the
> pot and get me to give them a right-to-represent. I told him I'd think
> about it.
>
> I then called HI and explained the situation. They took the ball from
> there and dealt directly with the master vendor who then rejected LB's
> submission and replaced it with HI's submission. I sent an email to the LB
> recruiter informing him of what had happened. I haven't heard back from
> anyone with LB.
>
> Theoretically this won't impact me with the end client, a company I've
> worked with twice in the past. Of course, the hiring manager still has to
> choose me for an interview.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Starr, Writer
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>
> On 1/9/2015 8:33 PM, William Sherman wrote:
>
>> It sounds like it is working out for you now.
>>
>> LB recruiter - one you submitted with months ago
>> HI recruiter - one you submitted with a few days ago
>>
>> 1. If LB submitted you a few months ago with the same company that has
>> this opening, they could argue this is a continuation. Not necessarily
>> true, but they can justify it that way. did you submit for the other job at
>> this low rate back then? That would explain how they came up with a rate
>> for you when they didn't talk to you. In their eyes, HI is the second
>> submitter.
>>
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