RE: [RMX:NL] Re: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series

Subject: RE: [RMX:NL] Re: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series
From: Slager Timothy J <Timothy -dot- Slager -at- dematic -dot- com>
To: Julie Stickler <jstickler -at- gmail -dot- com>, TECHWR-L Writing <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 13:42:06 +0000

:)

I sometimes think that the naming is wrong. If every page is page one, then that is unstructured. Linear writing is structured; it can often be made more useful and flexible by breaking it out of that structure.

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From: techwr-l-bounces+timothy -dot- slager=dematic -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+timothy -dot- slager=dematic -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com] On Behalf Of Julie Stickler
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:28 AM
To: TECHWR-L Writing
Subject: [RMX:NL] Re: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series

If "every page is page one" then it's really ironic to be told that I have to read ten other articles before I get to this one.

Just sayin....

(And yes, I probably should go read those other articles now.)

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:12 AM, Slager Timothy J < Timothy -dot- Slager -at- dematic -dot- com> wrote:

> I get the feeling that Robert and Julie aren't acknowledging that this
> is chapter 11. If the chapter is taken in isolation, their comments are valid.
> But they seem less valid in the context of the rest of the articles. I
> haven't read all of the articles and it has been awhile since I read
> them, but each chapter builds on or adds to the previous ones.
>
> The newbie picking up this book would have had the benefit of 10
> chapters of very well written explanations about structured writing
> before getting to this chapter. As a long-time technical writer whose
> experience, unfortunately, has mostly been limited to "unstructured"
> writing, I found the articles helpful. Mark explains basic concepts in
> ways that make more sense than most other articles I have read. (Plus,
> his writing is
> exemplary.)
>
> tims
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: techwr-l-bounces+timothy -dot- slager=dematic -dot- com -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com
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> On Behalf Of Julie Stickler
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 3:30 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: TECHWR-L Writing
> Subject: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing
> series
>
> Who is the audience for this book, developers? Because I agree with
> Robert, I've been single sourcing via tools for over a decade now, so
> I'm not really all that concerned with the algorithms used to transform my
> source into different media. Your article feels way too technical to me
> (and I'm the sort of nerd who likes getting into the code).
>
> If I were a newbie technical writing picking up this book to learn
> about single sourcing, you would have scared me off entirely with this approach.
> Single sourcing really not all that hard to do (at least it hasn't
> been for me). Especially if you never got too attached to the idea of
> writing linear documents. I was trained to "chunk" right off the bat
> in school, which makes assembly and re-use much easier concepts to
> adopt than if I'd spent decades writing book format manuals.
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Robert Lauriston
> <robert -at- lauriston -dot- com>
> wrote:
>
> > It feels very dated, like it was written in the 90s, when structured
> > writing and single-sourcing were new concepts rather than standard
> > practices embodied in off-the-shelf tools that have been evolving
> > for
> > 20 years.
> >
> > Thus the presentation seems backward to me. We're not starting from
> > zero. People single-source using off-the-shelf tools, in some cases
> > enhanced with custom code that has been in place for a while. Most
> > of us write in a WYSIWYG editor in Flare / FrameMaker/ Oxygen /
> > Confluence / whatever, then generate web help, PDF, static web site
> > pages, etc. from templates. It's interesting to know what's going on
> > under the hood (and essential if you're developing templates or
> > custom code), but starting the piece with such a low-level
> > explanation exaggerates its importance over more crucial
> > considerations, such as total cost of ownership.
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 10:56 AM, <mbaker -at- analecta -dot- com> wrote:
> > > TechWhirl magazine has just published the latest in my series on
> > structured
> > > writing (http://techwhirl.com/single-sourcing-algorithm/), which
> > > is scheduled to become a book from XML Press. A big reason for
> > > serializing
> > the
> > > book on TechWhirl first is to get feedback that will help me
> > > improve the book. I'd be really grateful if anyone who is
> > > interested would be
> > willing to
> > > read the latest article or any others in the series and give me
> > > some feedback, either on the site or to me personally (mbaker at
> > > analecta dot com).
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References:
Request for comments on my Structured Writing series: From: mbaker
Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series: From: Robert Lauriston
Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series: From: Julie Stickler
RE: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series: From: Slager Timothy J
Re: [RMX:NL] Re: Request for comments on my Structured Writing series: From: Julie Stickler

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