Re: CBT vs. Training - my thoughts

[Scott Gray <scotty -at- CM -dot- MATH -dot- UIUC -dot- EDU>]

Every example I have ever seen (maybe I'm unlucky) of this kind of
training has a teacher in front of a class with an LCD panel asking
the students to "follow along" and do the tasks that they do.  In every
case the teacher loses about 1/3 by going to fast, 1/3 by going to slow.
Sometimes there isn't even 1/3 that are with the teacher at all.

I guarantee I can write an interactive tutorial for Word or Framemaker
that engages students at their own rate.  With the presence of an
instructor to coach, motivate and answer questions, this method of using
CBT and coaching will always win over the "follow the bouncing ball"
approach to teaching.

Scott

Scott Mills Gray
scotty -at- cm -dot- math -dot- uiuc -dot- edu
http://www.useractive.com

"I hear and I forget, I see and I forget, I do and I forget" -- confused.


On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Janet Valade wrote:

> > The current model used in training appears to be that 90% of the
> > student -
> > teacher interaction is spent LECTURING TO STUDENTS.  Is this the best
> > way?
> >
>             Where did you get this figure of %90?  In what environment
>             does a teacher provide training in Framemaker or Word or any
>             software by standup lecture?  This is not my experience in
> taking,
>             or teaching, computer training courses.
>
> Janet
>
> ---
> Janet Valade
> Technical Writer
> Systech Corp., San Diego, CA
> mailto:janetv -at- systech -dot- com
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>
>
>
> > Perhaps a better way to learn to take blood would be to build a model
> > of
> > an arm that responds wen the student "misses" and have the teacher
> > there
> > COACHING.
> >
> > no. I stand by my statement stand up teaching is the worst way to
> > learn a
> > skill.  Not a bad way to learn history from a very good speaker.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > Scott Mills Gray
> > scotty -at- cm -dot- math -dot- uiuc -dot- edu
> > http://www.useractive.com
> >
> > "I hear and I forget, I see and I forget, I do and I forget" --
> > confused.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Tracy Boyington wrote:
> >
> > > > >  Stand-up training is always better.
> > > > >  That's my opinion. But I am a realist.  Companies are going to
> > "follow
> > > > >  the money," and CBTs are much cheaper than stand-up.
> > > >
> > > > Ridiculous statement.  Stand-up training is the
> > > > worst way to learn anything, particularly any kind of training
> > that takes
> > > > place on a computer.
> > >
> > > The "worst way to learn anything?" I don't agree with the poster who
> > > said stand-up training is always better, but if one extreme is
> > > ridiculous, so is the other. And because of your last statement, I
> > > assume you are not speaking strictly about software training.
> > >
> > > > Think about something you are good at.  Did you learn it all from
> > > > listening to someone tell you what to do?   You probably took
> > their
> > > > suggestions yes, but then you went off and taught yourself, coming
> > back
> > > > and getting feedback every once and while from someone.
> > >
> > > Have you ever had a urinary catheter inserted, Scott? Have you ever
> > had
> > > your blood drawn? Would you want a nurse who listened to an
> > instructor,
> > > or a self-taught nurse who got feedback every once in a while?
> > >
> > > There is no one best way to teach everything.
> > >
> > > Tracy
> > > Who just found out that if you pay your STC dues before the
> > deadline,
> > > you get to vote! How long has that been going on? ;-)
> > >
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