RE: User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation

Subject: RE: User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation
From: "Wright, Lynne" <Lynne -dot- Wright -at- Kronos -dot- com>
To: "salt -dot- morton -at- gmail -dot- com" <salt -dot- morton -at- gmail -dot- com>, "techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com" <techwr-l -at- lists -dot- techwr-l -dot- com>
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:00:51 +0000

If the translators are using translation memories, then don't they translate a repeating phrase once, and that translation is automatically inserted wherever an instance occurs in the source doc? i.e. its an automated process, so it shouldn't significantly add to the time/cost of translation?

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Subject: Re: User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation

Thanks, Julie.

Actually, this is a major revision, in that the device in question has enhanced capabilities. Referential material (new inserts and copy changes) appear throughout its ~150 pages. All told, I'd say perhaps one-sixth of the manual is new/edited content, with said content scattered throughout.

So... how is the new manual not going to have to go through the entire translation process again?

Also, I have nothing to do with that process, so the steps you shared mean nothing. Nor do I have access to the workflow, etc. I'm a freelancer only charged with updating the EN version of the InDesign file and related doc control PDF markups.

Chris Morton



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On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Julie Stickler <jstickler -at- gmail -dot- com>
wrote:

> Even if there are no text changes, the translation company will charge
> for having to reformat the page and re-generate the doc and/or Help
> system. I really dug into this at my last company, because I just did
> not understand some of the line items on our bills. Small changes end
> up being fairly expensive if they're done alone, because of the translation workflow:
>
> - Pull everything out of the original source files into the
> translation tool (This is the step that many people don't realize is
> happening, your source files are not being used by the translators.
> Tour text is being extracted, translated, and then the text is put
> back into your files. That transform is a significant expense.)
> - Compare the new files to the translation memory and identify changes.
> - Translate any new content.
> - Port all the translated strings back into the original source format
> (Word, FrameMaker, RoboHelp, Flare, etc.)
> - Quality assurance that the transform worked properly.
> - Additional desktop publishing tweaks due to the text strings in the
> new language being different (page breaks, heading wraps, table column
> sizing,
> etc.)
> - Files get shipped back to you.
>
>
> If you can, save that change for a major version bump, when you have
> more changes to absorb the engineering costs for the entire conversion process.
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chris Morton <salt -dot- morton -at- gmail -dot- com>
> wrote:
>
> > User manual has several pages of tabular stuff pertaining to UI
> > error messages. Many of the items in the far right column are the
> > exact same
> > message: "Call <company> at <number> for service."
> >
> > I think such cellular repetition looks dumb, so I'm inclined to
> > merge adjacent cells that convey the same thing.
> >
> > PM is upset, telling me that now PM will have to deal with 28
> translations
> > (all of which have to change anyway due to other new content).
> >
> > Pray tell, how in the world does merging such cellular items affect
> > any translation, when "Call <company> at <number> for service" has
> > previously been translated in all 28 languages?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris Morton
> >
> >
> >
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User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation: From: Chris Morton
Re: User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation: From: Julie Stickler
Re: User manual: cell merging vis a vis translation: From: Chris Morton

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